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Postby ANTELOPE » Fri 24 Aug 2007 11:23 GMT

hi just taking some time to let you know, i've not been to angola yet but will be next year, but i do know a lot of whats happening there. here are a few things
they are rebuilding luanda with up to 2million new homes,
a new international airport by viana has been already started
2 billion dollars is been spent in the redevelopment of luanda bay this has already started and includes dredging land reclamation and a new road system, the aim is to rival cape town
a modern new university cost 1.5 billion dollars will be ready by 2010
all the railways are been rebuilt and the luanda line is already operational
the capanda dam and power plant is fully working now and will double the electric power in luanda once the power lines reach there at the end of the year
all the road system are currently been rebuilt in luanda
4 brand new football stadiums are been built to host the african football cup in 2010
40 new hotels are earmarked for completion in the next 3 years
on the practical side, a new modern hospital was opened last year in luanda and all the other ones refurbished, lots of cuban doctors are working there. also lots of new supermarkets are in the process of been built. hopefully with the new houses and hotels the prices should come down over the next two years

these are just some thing i know. angola is very exciting indeed
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Postby eviep » Wed 29 Aug 2007 07:08 GMT

Hi all,

yep i can confirm what Antelope is saying, in Luanda there is massive redevelopment. There is a huge investment from the Chinese, some very large buildings going up.

There is only one road out to the south of Luanda, which is currently being rebuilt so travel time to where most of the new houses are being built can be nearly 2 hours..

We have found a place at this area which is called Talatona. All of the properties in this area are built within secure complexes. Most have a central area where there is a swimming pool and basket ball courts as well as tennis courts. There are all very well maintained with a mixture of properties from apartments to 4/5 bed detached houses, most also have maids quarters - now that is a novelty! WE have chosen a detached 3 bed bungalow - rents are extortionate anything from $13000 upwards per month! and the landlords want a year in advance! Properties can be furnished or unfurnished, the difference in price is between $1000 and $2000.

As i said in a previous comment, the shopping complex there is new. Had a look around the supermarket, its not too bad although you know that the nationals can buy more cheaply. There is not a bad variety of goods although recently eggs have been in short supply.

The bay area is up and coming and the investment can be seen, there is still massive poverty as the rich appear to get richer, the poor struggle without even the basic amenity of running water.. we watched a number of small children go to a cave high up on the cliff above where the road is being re built, one wrong move and they would all have been in the road!

We have found several restaurants, expensive but nice anything from $100 - $200. A medium pizza each with soft drinks in the new shopping complex was $43.

We are still waiting for my partners work permit to arrive so that we can bring over our bits and pieces from Egypt - and our jackie from the UK,

i will post more as i find out

take care all and god luck with jabs and visas!

-evie
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Postby Stranger » Fri 31 Aug 2007 13:52 GMT

Hello,

I´ve just arrived in Luanda for my first taste of embassy life. Is there a pub/bar/cafe/club where english-speaking expats meet?

I'd love to watch the forthcoming Rugby world cup in a nice 'pub' setting!

I also found some vague references on the net to a touch rugby team and an amateur football team in Luanda, but little detail. Does anyone know more about this?

Any other 'social' activities going on?

I'll welcome any tips and advice!
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Postby dangermouse » Sat 1 Sep 2007 22:34 GMT

Stranger wrote:I'll welcome any tips and advice!



Can't help you much at the moment I'm afraid, but I start my job in Luanda next month - working on my own, so always up for a pint.

PM me your e-mail address if it's easier to keep in touch that way.

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Postby georgia » Thu 27 Sep 2007 10:37 GMT

Hi

I’m due to move to Luanda in March/April. But I’m packing now because we are going to Denmark first (November to March/April) and our stuff is going directly from Aberdeen to Luanda. We are in Aberdeen just now.

Does anyone know if most accommodation in Luanda Sul compounds has fitted wardrobes? What is the plug system?

Are there are toddler/baby groups is Luanda Sul?

Tania
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Postby JoNeil » Sun 23 Nov 2008 16:34 GMT

Hi
My partner has accepted a position with an American company and we will be moving out to Luanda Q1 2009.
We've researched quite alot and read with interest the comments in this forum.
The company taking us out there are looking after us very well, but we still have some questions if anyone can help?
What is the current state of the infrastructure with regards to water, electricity etc. At this stage we are yet to find accommodation.
Comms - company offices have internet etc available but what is available outside of this? What is the best way to keep in touch with those back home?
We have the option to transport our belongings, furniture etc out there - would this be the best option as opposed to buying new out there?
Is there an agency/website that is recommended for me to find a job (I'm the female of the couple!)?
We are both travelled and are aware of the common sense elements of living there, but can you let us know if there are areas you can walk around safely (eg shopping complex with restaurants etc similar to Jo'burg)?
We expected the worst when considering moving out to Luanda but we are feeling excited about it now!
There are lots of negatives compared to home but I'd like to hear more of the positives.
How easy is it to get flights, join organised trips to other areas, eg Namibia? We're planning on making the most of this opportunity/adventure.
Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance
Jo
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Postby georgia » Mon 24 Nov 2008 13:01 GMT

Hi
I've been in Luanda since June now. It's not an easy country but I think if you don't have kids it can be good. Our main problem has been medical care. The moment the kids are ill we hate this place but when we are all fine we actually have a good time.
The weather is perfect and there are good beaches if you are prepared for 2hr drive south. Closer beaches are very dirty. But CAbo Ledo is great and has a nice restaurant. There's also ilha do Mussolo and that has restaurants.
There's only 1 shopping centre BELAS and that's in Talatona (where most families live). Belas is not very big and it's very expensive and there's nothing that you'd want to buy there. It has a few fast food places and a child playground.
For restaurants the Ilha is the best area to go to. Some expat people go for walks in street but not many, it depends on the area. My husband goes for a walk at lunch time to get out of the office.
Internet access is slow but it depends what you have. Mine is supplied by husbands company and not very good.
Regarding work here for you might be difficult, because of visas. But there's a lot of volunteer work here as you might imagine. If you have a job that can be done from home like hairdressing, etc. Then it's possible to work from home.
Also if you are British there's a British ladies expat group called LBW. And other international groups called Amizade and Tica. They do a lot of charity work with orphanages, etc.

Ah, do all shopping you can before coming because here everything is 3 or 4 times more expensive.

If you have any more questions I'm happy to reply.

hope this helps.

tania
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Postby mnegreiros » Tue 25 Nov 2008 20:25 GMT

Hi Tania! How old are your children?
How bad is medical care?
We are a family of four (a toddler and a baby) and we'll probably be
moving there next year.
Are there any daycare for babies?
If you don't mind sending me your email, I have a lot of other questions.

Thanks!
Marcela
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Postby georgia » Wed 26 Nov 2008 07:51 GMT

tania_vidinha@yahoo.co.uk

Ask whatever hosting a playgroup in 1hr but will email you later
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Postby georgia » Wed 26 Nov 2008 12:37 GMT

How old are your children? My Kids are 10months and 2.5yrs.
How bad is medical care? BAD. Unless, you come here with Chevron or Total (they have their own clinics) or most expats have ISOS. This gives you access to a western GP but anything more specialised (like a paediatrician) it’s difficult. ISOS GPs are good but they have limited resources because they are working within Sagrada Esperanca clinics. ISOS is attached to Sagrada Esperanca clinics and they rarely have all the medicine prescribed by DRs.

Last time I went to sagrada esperanca do get blood out for test there’s lots of life cockroaches and my toddler wanted to play with them!
There’s a paediatric clinic local called Horton they are far better than sagrada esperanca but I have 2 kids and you could be there all day waiting to see a doctor (especially if you are expat).
Ambulances carry nothing or almost nothing. I think that’s why BP has their own paramedics.
Most oil companies get people out if hospitalisation is required. Make sure that’s the case with company you are coming with. ISOS medevac services (plane ambulance) is only for extreme cases. So it’s good to know if your company will take you out of here if kids have pneumonia or something requiring hospital stay. I’ve heard of a few cases of misdiagnosed pneumonia here as Malaria. In those cases babies were taken out of here by parents with help of their employer. In one of the cases was the oil company that told them to go and get another opinion as 7month baby fever wasn’t disappearing.
All I’m trying to get at is medical care here isn’t good but if the company you are coming with looks after their people than it’s OK. Because you can go SA or Namibia or Lisbon.


Are there any daycare for babies? In Talatona there’s no adequate daycare. There are toddler groups. I can give you contacts to some if required. Most people with more than 1 have a nanny but it’s very difficult to find a good one. I had one that use to work for a friend that left and came to me with a very good recommendation. Here’s what happened:
I arrived home (before usual time) and found my 2 yr old alone in living room and she was sound asleep in the playroom with Henry (9months) sleeping on top of her. My 2yr old could have gone out to the pool or got into trouble she'd not notice. She didn't notice me coming in and she didn't wake up when I 1st called her.
So I have a new one that I’m training. But it’s difficult to get good staff. I’m also on the 2nd cleaner. But this one is good.
There are nurseries in town. In fact there’s an expat lady that used to be a teacher and she has a little nursery in here house.
Hope this helps.
T.
PS- Fill you container with toys baby wipes and nappies! All very expensive here and can’t get good quality toys or creative materials.
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Postby mnegreiros » Wed 26 Nov 2008 14:37 GMT

Hi Tania!

Thanks a lot! I still have a lot of questions. . Will email you later today(as soon the kids are asleep).
Just for your info I have a 3 yrs old boy and a 3 months old baby girl.

Take care and thanks again!
Marcela
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Postby mnegreiros » Fri 28 Nov 2008 18:44 GMT

Hi Tania!

Sent you a email. Sorry for so many questions!

Marcela
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Postby Stealthyone » Sun 7 Dec 2008 14:22 GMT

[Hello,

I have a job offer in Cabinda and I am wondering what the safety is like in being transported from the Luanda airport to Cabinda? Can anyone clue me in for what you may have heard about the conditions there?
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Postby dangermouse » Tue 16 Dec 2008 10:58 GMT

Stealthyone,

When you land at Luanda airport, the moment you've gone through immigration you'll hear a man shouting "Cabinda Malongo" repeatedly.

He'll have your name down on a list of transferring passengers.

Follow him to the waiting room and then onward to your next flight.

It's painless and definately easier than trying to get from the airport to the heliport!
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Queries re moving to Angola

Postby charlieworld » Mon 6 Jul 2009 11:37 GMT

Hi all.
I have read the information provided by "theflower" which was very useful. Can anyone provide more detailed info on the expat clubs and communities and the sort of events arranged? Or is it a more relaxed situation of get togethers??
IS there horse-riding available in Angola, near Luanda. Does anyone know if there is an expat motorbike club?
I've lived in many places, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Egypt, South Africa, UAE... and worked in many more.... My favourite was Botswana as everything was very chilled out and lacking in pretention... Might I find it similar in Luanda?
Are there many international schools as I have 2 children agesd 6&4... What are the prices like?
Does anyone have any idea on the rental cost of housing in a complex in Luanda Sul?
Many thanks in advance
Charlotte
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