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A merry Christmas to you, too, landlord...

Postby ruggie » Thu 24 Dec 2009 11:21 GMT

Seems to me the Roebuck Inn, Winchester, has lost three customers - or maybe they never went there normally. What do you think? It does seem odd that these people don't appear to have asked the pub landlord first, considering the time when they left their cars.

wheels clamped in pub car park

There's probably more to the story than appears in this report.
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Postby ruggie » Thu 24 Dec 2009 11:31 GMT

Just done a bit of checking. Currently, the pub is closed, which explains why Cobra Security were looking after the car park. OK - let's have your comments about their attitude, given that the weather conditions were such that people abandoned cars within city limits and walked home.
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Postby Kay » Thu 24 Dec 2009 11:33 GMT

Yeah, it's hard to comment when you don't know the whole story.

My first question would be, "Why did the landlord have clamping in place in his car park in the first place?"

And I guess that the most likely answer is that he was sick and tired of being taken for granted by people, so he did something about it. Good luck to him. People only put up with the users and takers for so long before they say "enough is enough" and refuse to be trodden on any more.
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Postby Kay » Thu 24 Dec 2009 11:42 GMT

Whoops! We were posting at the same time, Ruggie.

Well, perhaps exceptions could be made for the extreme weather conditions, but if the roads were impassable, then how come the clamping people got through?

Did anyone who abandoned their car leave a polite note to explain why they'd done so and ask for an exception to be made, or did they just take advantage of what seemed to be an easy freebie option?

People need to wake up and realise that everything ain't free for the taking. You have to work for it or pay for it. You know, there are no free lunches.

And what difference does Christmas make? Maybe the landlord isn't Christian. Any reason why he should be?
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Postby ruggie » Thu 24 Dec 2009 20:24 GMT

The pub's website doesn't say why it is closed. It was a real ale and food pub, but may still have been a tenancy. Could be yet another pub on its way out, and the site owners paying Cobra Security to look after it.

It wasn't mentioned in this report, but a friend says that on the live program one of the offenders said he did it rather than block the street (which would cause a problem - I can vouch for that in this instance). All the same, in his place I'd have made a serious effort to contact someone - even phoned Cobra after getting home if there was no-one around.d
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Postby Kay » Thu 24 Dec 2009 20:39 GMT

I only know about Scots mercantile law and am no expert on English law or criminal law or anything like that. But do the English not have some kind of trespass law (which the Scots don't have)? In which case the vehicles were trespassing on private land.

It's not a case of what makes any sense or what is right and proper. It's a case of obey the law or pay the consequences. The law is frequently an ass, but it's the law and you disobey it at your peril.
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Postby ruggie » Sat 26 Dec 2009 10:23 GMT

In UK law, you can't prosecute for trespass (in spite of all those 'TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED' signs - you can only sue for the damage trespassers cause).

see this site for an explanation

There are exceptions - such as railway lines and yards and electricity substations.
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